Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 06:05:57 -0400 From: E. Bruce Brooks To: crosstalk@info.harpercollins.com Subject: Thomas/Q Project [ The following text is in the "ISO-8859-1" character set. ] [ Your display is set for the "US-ASCII" character set. Some ] [ characters may be displayed incorrectly. ] On: Thomas/Q Project In Response To: Bob Schacht's Summary of Voting From: Bruce I have been following the Thomas/Q Project with absorbing interest, and am grateful to Bob Schacht for his lucid summary . . . [which by the way printed out almost correctly on my Netscape Navigator E-mail facility, but not from the archived version in Findmail, which reduced the table to an impenetrable paragraph; the [Attachment Thomas#Q.rtf] entry, underlined in the archive version, produced for me on clicking a File Not Available message. What am I doing wrong?] . . . I find the data to be extraordinarily suggestive, and am preparing a query for general comment, but in the meantime, could Mark Goodacre (or Stevan Davies, or anybody else) state for me and perhaps for others: of what hypothesis was this project a test? I take the point of departure to be Stevan's message of 16 June 98 (5:39 PM), commenting on Mark's earlier message therein quoted, and ending "Yes. We have to look into this. Where is Koestler's list?" Stevan's proposal then followed in his message of 16 June 98 (10:02 PM). Tentatively, it seems to me that the origin is the dialogue between the statements (1) "I'm convinced that a high percentage of earliest Jesus sayings were proverbs and so when something can be a proverb it probably was one. The Luke version is proverbial, albeit more wordy than needed and I'd be prone to think it original against Mt and GTh," (2) "Luke's form of Q sayings is generally supported by Thomas against Matthew," and (3) "But not always! See above." What sequence of texts is implied here? I can read statement (1) as envisioning the sequence Q > Luke > Mt/Thos, and statement (2) as countersuggesting the sequence Q > Luke/Thos > Mt, in which case the project to test the relative affinity of Mt/Thos vs Luke/Thos makes experimental sense, since its results would tend to support one over the other. But I suspect that the writers may easily have had other and more complex text sequences in mind, or even authorial/redactional agendas rather than text sequences per se. Clarification most welcome. We know we're wiser, but what exactly have we learned? Bruce