Subject: Re: Mark or Thomas Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 01:19:55 -0400 (EDT) From: "Stephen C Carlson" Allow me to be a "devil's advocate" to Stevan Davies's quite intriguing argument for Markan dependent on Thomas, at least as far as parallels to GTh13 are concerned. It seems to me that the present text of GTh13 is dependent, not on Mark, but on (the canonical) Matthew: 1. There is no corresponding section in the Markan parallel to GTh13:5, in which Jesus praises Thomas, but only Matthew contains the famous blessing of Simon bar Jonah (Mt16:17-18 19?). 2. Davies is probably correct in identifying the three secret sayings of GTh13:6 with GTh14:1 (fasting), 2 (praying), 3 (giving). This is in the reverse order of the following M material in the Sermon on the Mount: 6:2 (giving), 5 (praying), 16 (fasting). The juxta- position of these concepts suggest a literary dependence. No other gospel can be the source for this. 3. Matthew, who does not appear elsewhere in GTh (according to my perusal of it), is made to give a wrong answer. GTh13:3 4. Peter in both GTh and Mt, but not in the Markan and Lukan parallels, is called "Simon Peter" by both. I think the literary dependence on Matthew is pretty clear, so I would place the final composition of GTh13 at a time when Thomas's marginal group was competing against the early catholic church with its stress on the public, apostolic teachings of Christ. Matthew's explicit naming suggests that the final form of GTh13 came about sometime after the attribution of the First Gospel was well-known and after it became the pre-eminent gospel. Depending on the date of GMt, I'd place its final composition in the early-to-mid second century based upon those factors. Is it possible (or likely) that GTh13 is a (gnostic? second-century?) redaction of a more primitive version? It could well be. GTh13:2-3 (Simon Peter and Matthew's questions) is the most probable area of redaction (as well as the identification of Thomas as the favored disciple, the replacement of the teaching of the Passion with the three secret sayings). If we take Mt16:14=Mk8:28=Lk9:19 as a guide for what possibly stood at GTh13:2-3, then we could emend it to be about John the Baptist and Elijah, etc. This would have the side effect of making Davies's spirit possession/reception model more workable here. What does this mean for my proto-Matthew thesis? One would have to determine whether Mt16:17-19 stood in it and was omitted by Mark and Luke, or whether it is a canonical Matthean interpolation. Perhaps some form of Mt16:17-19 was originally found there. The bit about Peter being a rock (Heb. even) and Jesus building (Heb. evneh) his church is a Semitic pun, so I'd say some part of Mt16:17-18 (not 19) was in proto-Matthew. Even though I think GTh13 was redacted at a later date, it may have still included some form of verse 5, but not necessarily to Thomas. Mark's omission of GTh13:5 // Mt16:17-18 can be due to the same reasons that Davies was suggesting. Therefore, GTh13 shows clear signs of being a later redaction in answer to Matthew, but there may be a more primitive form behind it. Whether Mark (or proto-Matthew) is dependent on that primitive form is quite a bit more speculative than Davies's own proposal, but it does not contradict the essentials. Stephen Carlson